1970-11-12 (CD2 FROM THE ALTERNATE SOURCE)
disc/s: 1
date/venue: 1970 November 12 - Falkoner Centret, Copenhagen, Denmark
source: audience / recorder 1 +2 / cass[low]>cdr[?] >EAC>WAV>archived in shn
tot length: 58:02
overall: EX- / VG
tracklist:
01. tune-ups / Green Is The Colour [5:00] - recorder 1
02. Careful With That Axe, Eugene / tune-ups [11:30] - recorder 1
03. Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun / tune-ups [14:17] - recorder 1+2
04. A Saucerful Of Secrets [18:53] - recorder 2
05. The Embryo [8:22] - recorder 2
OU notes:
I was thinking this was the CD2 completely from an alternate source, whereas I guess it's the complete CD2 but again from 2 sources.
This can’t be the complete CD2 from a different source (recorder) ... the ambience is different (it's even more clear listening to the RoIO Falkoner Centert); it’s indeed the same as the Falkoner Centret CD2 more or less ...
... 'till the first portion of ASOS it’s the same as the 'main' excellent-sounding source ... the atl. source goes into ASOS (very well merged ... try to find the point using headphones) about at minute 2.00 (time meant for the track, not for the song); on Falkoner Centret it was made a different choice: to use the second source for the entire ASOS + Embryo (leaving out that piece of ASOS from the better source), here (again) the small piece of ASOS from the ‘good’ source' is kept entirely.
SQ 'till the first minute of ASOS is about the same as on the "Falkoner Centret 1970" RoIO, very moderate hiss and correct speed, on the contrary ASOS and Embryo sound here better than on Falkoner Centret as far as I can notice (better, not good, of course)
I don’t know the actual generation of the copies used for each of these releases but they do sound more or less the same; a possible remastering could be the reason of a little loss of brightness though; I keep on preferring Falkoner Centret in spite of the hiss and in spite of the little problem of speed, again, it sounds much brighter and 'deep'.
The actual difference of length between this ‘complete’ CD2 and the Falkoner Centret one is not due only to the speed anyway, here the last part of the gig is really ‘uncut’ I can identify at least a piece of tuning before Embryo that’s not on Falkoner Centret actually (well, it’s “just” a piece of tuning).
... all the possible combinations were attempted, I might not stand another version.
does exist actually a second recorder (complete) used as filler on version as Falkoner Centret or this one
1970 November 12: Chatting in Copenhagen upadated June 8 2004
2 tapers are circulating of this wonderful 70 gig in Copenhagen
the most famous (common) recorder is incomplete and versions directrly from the master are circulating, previous low gen.s of this recorder were filled with the second one for the last 2 missing songs (ASOS, The Embryo); second recorder is complete but sounds worse, at least the versions circulating are far from sounding as much good as the first recorder, but it's still around the VG.
recorder 1: incomplete, missing ASOS (there's jsut the Waters' intro essentially) and The Embryo; versions from this recorder are: untitled master; "Falkoner Centret" RoIO (filled with recorder 2); "Falkoner Centret 1970"; "Copenhagen Sequence" (has last 2 tracks filled from another recording / different date); untitled complete CD2 (supposed entirely from the second recorder but really a mix of the 2 recorders (again)
recorder 2: complete recording, generally used to fill last 2 songs of the other recorder; versions from this recording are: untitled cass[3]>DAT (complete recorder 2); last 2 tracks of "Falkoner Centret"; last 2 tracks of the untitled complete CD2.
very easy to identify the 2 recorders, both from the sound quality and from the fact that the second taper chats really a lot!
here are 2 distinctive points anyway:
at the very beginning, as soon as Waters says "good evening" on recorder 2 the taper's friend (a lady) repeats "good evening"; at the beginning of Cymbaline the taper of recorder 2 talks a lot.
interesting collection of reviews about this gig kindly posted by Claus Rasmussen:
FRIDAY 70.11.12.- Falkoner Centret, København, Denmark (show at 20:00 and 22:30)
1st show - Songs: Astronomy Domine, Fat Old Sun, Cymbaline, Atom Heart Mother, Green Is The Colour, Carefull With That Axe Eugene, Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun, A Saucerful Of Secrets, Embryo Part II (Audience recording, 2 different sources)
2nd show - Songs: not known.
"Pink Floyd impressed still another time here in Falkoner Centret, 3,800 in the audience, with their cosmic sound, the four English guys dominated the technical equipment to a scary degree. Pink Floyd are distinguished exponents for the most experimenting part of the beat scene, they are the future? Hardly, but it is exiting". (BT November 13, 1970, p 30)
"I do not think that Pink Floyd is that dedicated to the trip, it seems that they directs and programs the trip, in this way they give us the opportunity to take part in this mental trip. When I see Pink Floyd on stage, I feel they miss one dimension, the body is not involved in their trip, no spontaneity. The question is does Pink Floyd want this close contact to their audience, this night at Falkoner Centret it looked like it is the audience who has the will to begin this contact." (Ekstra Bladet November 13, 1970, p 20)
"And the galaxy sang, we laughed at Cymbaline, breathless they left us for two and a half hour, with open mouths and pressed throats, if anything is a trip, it is Pink Floyd". (Politiken November 13, 1970, p 16)
"Pink Floyd's concerts is still a confrontation between planets, and the best of all is that it is a combination of modern technique and the sound of the future and still it is so beautiful and warm". (Jyllands-Posten November 15, 1970, p 2:25)
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